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Aug 13, 2016 9:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by Host Nick on Aug 13, 2016 9:47:59 GMT -5
Welcome to the Jury!
You may not have won but you will help in deciding a winner. Hang around here until then.
Remember, you may only talk to the jury members (and me!)
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Post by Morgan on Aug 14, 2016 9:26:11 GMT -5
Where are my questions.
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Aug 14, 2016 9:36:37 GMT -5
Post by Host Nick on Aug 14, 2016 9:36:37 GMT -5
Morgan, first member of the jury.
How does it feel to be idoled out of the game? Are you happy you at least made the Jury? Had you still been in the game, what would you have done next? Who do you think will be here next? Who do you want here next?
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Aug 14, 2016 21:28:58 GMT -5
Post by Host Nick on Aug 14, 2016 21:28:58 GMT -5
Jeff , our second member of the jury.
Are you happy you at least made the Jury? Had you still been in the game, what would you have done next? Who do you think will be here next? Who do you want here next? Your alliance turned on you... Expected?
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Jeff
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Aug 14, 2016 21:43:29 GMT -5
Post by jeff on Aug 14, 2016 21:43:29 GMT -5
Are you happy you at least made the Jury? Yeah I have a 100% jury success rate, so I'm happy to keep that in tact. I'm sad I couldn't make it further.
Had you still been in the game, what would you have done next? Oh had I escaped that round, I definitely would have been targeting ken/darnell. Taj and Lindsey were nice to me and probably would have stuck with me and I think Keith was on my side.
Who do you think will be here next? Sadly I think ppl will catch on to how connected Lindsey is and she will be the next one. I feel bad tho, my blowing up on ppl and exposing the icons may have blown her game. Oh well, she kinda blew mine with that Liz vote.
Who do you want here next? Oh I want Ken here big time. Dude turned on me "because i was a threat". We had a Final 3 alliance THAT YOU FORMED. Then you have the audacity to tell me there were no emotions involved. People know what type of game you play and I will be avenged.
Your alliance turned on you... Expected? Well not at this point that's for sure. I knew I should have been worried about ken, but not Darnell. Lindsey was put in a terrible position so i don't blame her at all. Taj at least tried to put something together last nminute, but SHE HAD ALL DAY TO DO IT. Lindsey was the only one who was loyal to me. She was the one who told me everything. She is bae <3
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Jeff
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Aug 16, 2016 21:41:53 GMT -5
Post by jeff on Aug 16, 2016 21:41:53 GMT -5
Hey Macolm! What went down?
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Aug 17, 2016 6:27:00 GMT -5
Post by Morgan on Aug 17, 2016 6:27:00 GMT -5
How does it feel to be idoled out of the game? It feels ok.
Are you happy you at least made the Jury? Yes.
Had you still been in the game, what would you have done next? Win.
Who do you think will be here next? Ken.
Who do you want here next? Keith.
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Aug 23, 2016 12:59:42 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 12:59:42 GMT -5
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE CONTENT.
I'll start with sharing how the game went for ME specifically. These are just my opinions so if you disagree with something, please share here. I'll divide it up so that it doesn't get TOO long.
Everything before Final 12:The things of note for ME during this phase was that I instantly clicked with Alecia. I trusted her a lot very early on and this would only grow stronger. I also had a disastrous first conversation with Morgan, apologized for it which apparently didn't change anything. I kept getting the feeling that Morgan wanted nothing to do with me. It was only made stronger when I actually heard people (Ken was one, Lindsey may have been the other) telling me that Morgan hated me. I believe Ken told me that Nat even went as far as telling him that they could boot me on original Ceviche if we hadn't swapped. I assumed Nat and Morgan to be super tight since Nat would always talk highly of Morgan and would often say stuff like "I hope Morgs is ok with that". During this stage I felt super close to Jeff, Ken and to a lesser extent to Taj, Lindsey. Final 12:Coming into this round I originally wanted Malcolm out (Sorry Malcolm!) It was hard to know where he truly stood and I found it hard to talk to him at times. But then majority rules happened and I saw Malcolm's value as a shield. I shared this with Jeff but he was very dismissive of it. But I was convinced I'd benefit by keeping Malcolm around. This was further solidified when he showed me the idol he won at the auction. He told me the only people he showed were Alecia and I which also helped to make that bond stronger. So I was determined to try and save both him and his idol. Especially in this round where a lot of people were in the zone of "as long as it ain't me" or "whatever". The only one TRULY pushing one way (for Malcolm to go) was Nat. But I pushed back and made sure I at least TRIED everything I could. I voiced my concerns about Nat going against original Ceviches to Ken (which he probably leaked to Nat because Ken does Ken things). Nat ultimately stuck with voting against Amanda much to my surprise. Our relationship was SUPER strained by this but I was happy I got what I wanted. Both Malcolm and his idol were safe. I believe no one else REALLY cared who went home during this round but my pushing so hard to save Malcolm must have put a target on us being tight.
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Aug 23, 2016 13:08:56 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 13:08:56 GMT -5
Final 11: So when Final 11 started, I wasn't entirely sure who I'd want gone. Nat was up there but I thought she was too liked for it to be realistic to go after her. My initial thoughts were to get rid of a wildcard like Liz or Darnell (*gasps*) because they didn't really talk to me as much. I think this was the endurance round? Jeff was immune. At first when vote talks started I heard Malcolm again. But it wasn't that prominent this time which scared me. Then I hear from, I think it was Lindsey first, that Nat wants me out. Jeff told me the next day too IIRC. But Jeff also told me that Nat was just throwing names around. I also heard Alecia's name in there briefly. It was a hectic afternoon for me and I think I was mobile for most of it. Once I heard Nat saying my name though I tried to push for a Nat vote. My own efforts didn't seem to get much traction. But then I heard that Morgan of all people was pushing for Nat to go. This confused the living daylights out of me. At one point I thought it was an idol bait. But that seemed too drastic. I tried talking to Morgan during this round, albeit in the very early stages, and she told me it would be a Malcolm vote. But multiple people confirmed to me that Morgan was pushing for Nat to go and someone explicitly told me that Morgan didn't trust me with it even though I was pushing for a Nat vote as well. This basically blew any hope I had of ever trusting Morgan game wise. This was also the first red flag of Taj for me. When I talked to Taj this round and told her that I heard my name from Nat she THEN told me that yeah she had hard that too. The fact that Taj waited to say anything to me until I specifically brought it up made me sketched out by her. Ultimately when it seemed like the vote would be overwhelmingly against Nat I took solace in the fact that Malcolm and his idol (my 2 shields at this point) were safe.
As I understand it now this vote was mostly because of Morgan but the fact that she explicitly kept me and Alecia out of her plans was a giveaway of where things stood between Morgan and I.
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Aug 23, 2016 13:26:59 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 13:26:59 GMT -5
Final 10:
Ooooh boy. This round is where the game got REAL for me. This round is bar none my biggest regret in the game. It is so hilariously tragic that I don't know if I should laugh or cry at it. So it started with the most unfortunate tribe division I could imagine. I was on a tribe where I was the swing vote between 2 groups of 2. Alecia/Malcolm on one side and Taj/Jeff on the other. Of course there was the added wrinkle of Nat's black vote and Taj's double to account for. But on the surface it looked like I would decide who goes home here. My problem was I was very close with Jeff personally as well as strategically (or so I thought) and I had started getting closer to Taj personally even though game-wise she remained closed off from me still. When we lost I was seriously so gutted. In my head I knew I couldn't visibly go against Taj and Jeff. They were too liked by a lot of the people in the game which would make me a target at the merge coming up at 9. But my heart wouldn't let me just vote off Alecia. It was an internal STRUGGLE to decide which way I should go. But then something happened. Nick announced in the main chat giving a new clue to the second idol. I went and searched and found it rather easily. I let Nick know and he confirmed it for me that this is AN idol. I was so freaking happy I couldn't think straight. Here I am in a moral dilemma and this idol falls into my lap. I knew almost instantly that I would give this idol to Alecia so she could save herself and I could still maintain my good bonds (which I thought I had) with the other people in the game (Ken, Lindsey, Jeff). Our plan was to have Malcolm and I vote for Alecia and for her to idol out Taj. We were (or at least I was) a little afraid that Taj and Jeff would pull a fast one on us and vote for Maclolm or I with their 2 votes and Taj's double making it a 3-2-1. But I was okay with risking that since I didn't want to pick between saving Alecia and making myself a target. What happened next is something I couldn't imagine in a thousand years. As we were confirming the plan in the group chat of Alecia, Malcolm and I, Alecia tells us that Morgan messaged her with what looked like an idol. Offering to give it to her. She knew instantly it was fake and the three of us had a great laugh. It was seriously so unbelievable that Morgan would just give Alecia an idol that we couldn't help but see the funny side. And then the vote was read where Nick revealed that the idol Alecia played (which I found and gave it to her) was fake as well. I was dumbfounded. Completely in shock. I didn't understand what just happened because Nick had confirmed it to me. Then he explained that he chose his wording carefully and that it was AN idol not THE idol. I also then realized that he only ever confirmed stuff on AIM to me and never on the boards. I felt like a complete idiot. I apologized profusely to Alecia that this wasn't a sick joke on my part and that I really did believe the idol was real. I regretted everything that day and kicked myself for letting Alecia go home when it was fully in my power to save her. The ONLY thing I could take solace in was my 2 shields (Malcolm and the idol) were still in the game. So that's how Final 10 went as far as I saw it. I'm curious jeff and taj if you ever doubted me and considered a 3-2-1 on me or Malcolm. Because at this point I didn't know about the Icons alliance and that was ironically one of the reasons that I didn't outright flip to Malcolm and Alecia. I thought if I did that it would unite the 6 other people in the game (Ken, Lindsey, Jeff, Darnell, Morgan and Liz) against Malcolm, Alecia and I. Also Malcolm was a great soundboard during this round. He understood that visibly going against Jeff/Taj would be risky. I was glad to have stuck by Malcolm before because he was becoming a great strategic partner.
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Aug 23, 2016 13:41:15 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 13:41:15 GMT -5
Final 9:
The fateful round! When this round started, I seriously felt like it would either be Morgan going home or me going home. After our latest "conversation" where I tried to troll her and we engaged in our passive aggressive talks, I was certain she would target me for elimination. But then I once again hear Malcolm's name. So I thought to myself "Maybe I can get people to split between Malcolm and Morgan and then Malcolm can idol her out". That was going to be the way Malcolm and I voted. Then suddenly I am hearing that NO ONE is voting Morgan and that everyone is voting Malcolm. I was a little sketched out by it but I really couldn't do anything about it since everyone I trusted (Jeff, Ken, Taj, Lindsey) kept reiterating the same thing. In my head I thought "Well they know I am voting Morgan and that Aleica's black vote is Morgan so maybe THATS why they don't care about an idol play". And I convinced myself that was the case. I told Malcolm that if this was the case I'd probably vote him too. Then about an hour or 90 minutes before deadline Darnell comes online. Darnell told me he hadn't been on all day. I told him what I heard and he suddenly said he heard Liz's name. I told him that's the absolute first I am hearing of a Liz vote. Lindsey had JUST talked to me about a Malcolm vote like 2 minutes back. Then Darnell comes back and tells me he confirmed from Ken and Lindsey just now that the vote is Liz. That sent me into a PANIC. I had no reason to doubt Darnell at this point. We had been talking about feeling on the bottom of the game. I frantically messages Malcolm to NOT play his idol and messaged Liz filling her in on everything. THIS was when Liz told me she has the idol. She said she'll play it and we should vote Ken. I was so overjoyed I agreed to it immediately and even cast a vote for Ken to go. And then I sat and thought for 30 mins. I worked through a lot of possible split vote scenarios in my head. Knowing that Morgan's vote was very likely headed to me this round and almost definitely headed to me next round, I tried to think of a way to get the vote switched onto Morgan. And it clicked for me. I told Malcolm and Liz that it's POSSIBLE yall split the vote 3-3 between Liz and Malcolm, expecting their votes to be stray or against each other. And since we knew Alecia's black vote would be for Morgan I convinced them to switch from Ken to Morgan. Instance #1 of me being heavily responsible for Ken staying in the game. I'll admit there was a LOT of personal benefit for me to Morgan leaving. But I still saved Ken just the same.
And that's how Final 9 went down from my perspective. To me this round was Darnell's move. he must have realized IF we idol someone out, it won't be him. He'll still have the safety of an alliance of 4 at Final 8 along with his strong bond with Morgan. And if Morgan went he'd have an outright alliance of 5. Win win for him. This was yet ANOTHER instance of Malcolm and his idol having a close call. I played up my sadness at being lied to a LOT with Jeff and Ken. With Lindsey it pretty much signaled the end of whatever little game relationship we had and it was only small talk after that for the most part. That was one HECK of a round!
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Aug 23, 2016 13:54:48 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 13:54:48 GMT -5
Final 8:
When Final 8 started, I found myself properly settled in at the bottom. When the votes were read I thought it was Morgan who voted me, the other five voted Liz and then Malcolm, Liz and I voted Morgan. So we were basically fucked in 5-3 minority. The majority had Taj's double vote if they needed it. But they wouldn't need it since Morgan's black vote would be for me. On the surface this should have been a simple 3-3-3 vote split between me and one of Malcolm/Liz. When last round ended Darnell had told me he wouldn't let me go home at Final 8. We had been talking a lot more and I felt like I was getting really close to him so I WANTED to believe him. Darnell then started voicing displeasure over how Jeff handled Final 9 saying Jeff basically gave out orders to vote Liz without discussing. Ken said something similar in that Jeff was the one who told him to keep me and Malcolm out of the loop. I tried to play into it as much as I could seeing that as my only hope of surviving. I didn't believe it would work but for some reason (this still baffles me) Ken and Darnell were serious about voting Jeff at 8. They confirmed it to me and told me to keep it quiet. Which I did.
Then Jeff found out (from Lindsey as it turns out) and went on a rampage the next day. There was a VERY BRIEF period where Liz said we should consider voting with Jeff but neither Malcolm nor I really agreed to it. I knew it was my ass on the line if anything went wrong so I kept talking to Darnell and Ken, constantly reassuring them that I am voting Jeff and that Malcolm and Liz would also vote Jeff for sure. Darnell freaked out a LOT about idols and it was HARD to not just tell him Malcolm has it (thank goodness I didn't tell him lmao). Ken went as far as saying if we (Malcolm, Liz and I) were going to play the idol on Jeff we should vote him out. I kept reassuring him that I had his back and wanted to work WITH him (I wasn't exactly spoiled for choice). Ultimately the vote stuck on Jeff and he went home.
I am still not 100% sure why this alliance of 5 imploded SO early. They could have taken the safe route at 8 and done a split, THEN vote out Jeff at 7. Very confusing. This round further solidified my trust in Darnell. In fact I believe it was THIS round where I offered Darnell a Final 2 which I fully intended on honoring. I would have taken Darnell to F2 over Malcolm or Liz. IDK if he ever believed me though. Once again, Malcolm and his idol were safe, still in the game, on my side. And we were entering Final FREAKING 7. I couldn't believe it.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:06:02 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 14:06:02 GMT -5
Final 7:
This is regret #2 for me gamewise. Jeff had just been voted out but now it was CRYSTAL clear that one of Malcolm, Liz and I would leave. There was NO way the others would let the three of us make F6. So I figured this was the round the idol would have to be played. I also contemplated just letting Liz go if she happened to be the vote. Oddly enough this was the round I felt safest at. With Darnell now firmly in my corner (or so I thought) and my relationship with Taj, Ken being better than Malcolm's or Liz's relationship with them I felt there was a very HIGH chance I wouldn't be the vote. Then when Ken won immunity and Nick announced that that black vote would be carried over, I was thrilled! This meant that if we played the idol correctly at F7 to take out Taj, we'd be guaranteed a tie at least a tie at F6. It had to be Taj since Taj had the double which would put us at a disadvantage at 6 in case of a tie vote. And this was absolutely doable since Darnell kept me completely in the loop during the whole round. He told me that the vote would be Malcolm but that they would bluff and say it's me. I had all the info at my disposal to save Malcolm, force a tie next round and let luck decide the endgame.
But then I didn't do it. I sat there going back and forth on whether I should tell Malcolm. I was fully aware that I would be losing 2 shields in one fell swoop. If I didn't tip off Malcolm both he and his idol would be gone. On the surface this was such an easy decision for me. But what held me back was Darnell. I didn't want to jeopardize his trust in me. I felt like I owed him this. IDK why I felt this way because that's just dumb. But I just couldn't bring myself to betray Darnell. So I sat by and watched the game slip away from my hands. I regretted it immensely the very next day. And I have regretted it a lot since then. I am really sorry Malcolm if you hate me for this. Seeing you cast a vote against me made me feel a LITTLE better. But still. I had the complete opportunity to save you and I didn't. From a storyline perspective, it was quite the ironic ending. After trying so hard to save both Malcolm and the idol for so long, I willingly let them both go. Full credit to Darnell here on my end. If not for me feeling so close to him, I'd have done it.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:16:57 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 14:16:57 GMT -5
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Aug 23, 2016 14:37:00 GMT -5
Post by keith on Aug 23, 2016 14:37:00 GMT -5
Final 5:
When I saw the Final 5 composition, I was oddly confident. I felt like Darnell and I were a LEGITIMATE F2 at this point and it didn't make much sense for Liz to vote me off. I actually felt quietly confident that I would survive F5. Then when I saw the immunity comp, I thought to myself "FUCK if Liz wasn't here, I'd win this" Which turned out to be true as per Nick. I came in second to Liz. Still I thought "well they'll think Liz will idol me". Besides I TRULY believed that Darnell wouldn't vote me off. So again I was quietly optimistic. But then I think I may have mishandled vote talks. Ken asked me if I knew Liz would play the idol on me and I said I was uncertain. I didn't act cool enough which I would have if I thought the idol was real. This may have tipped them off into knowing that the idol wasn't real.
So when I saw the votes as 3-3 part of me was definitely blindsided that Darnell would vote me off. I also actually expected Ken to keep me after I had been hammering into his brain for ROUNDS that I had his back. Which I repeatedly proved I did. But alas they chose to get rid of me. Now the irony here is that Liz would have almost definitely gone home at Final 6 if not for the fake idol screenshot. And I do believe she'd have gone home over me if she wasn't immune. So in a way I am responsible for my on death. And a fake idol is involved in it too. It's poetic on some level. At least to me it is lol.
I don't think anyone made a MISTAKE really in voting me out. I was only 100% loyal to Darnell. And he didn't really NEED me to make F2. I believe he CAN make it to F2 with Ken where he has a great chance at winning the game. Sure I feel bad that he did backstab me. But it's part of the game. I didn't really see myself as a ~jury threat~ but I think if I had made it to FTC with Darnell it would be a close fight at least. In my head I was hoping for the votes of Jeff, Taj, Malcolm and Liz in and F2 with Darnell. IDK if that's realistic or not but that was my plan at least.
I lost a lot of respect for Ken with this vote. Like he knew I was part of the reason he survived F6. And he turns around to just kill me immediately.
Liz and I worked together out of sheer need tbh. Like I DO like Liz. But I would not have been loyal to her if I had other options :X She stayed loyal to me on my way out so I do respect that.
Lindsey and I had no game relationship. I loved talking to her about random stuff a lot though. She is SUPER likable and her strategic game is underrated too.
My preference of voting right now is divided.
F2 of Darnell/Ken - I vote Darnell no doubt F2 of Darnell/Lindsey - I vote Darnell no doubt F2 of Liz/Ken - I vote Liz no doubt F2 of Lindsey/Ken - I am a little conflicted here. While I realize that Lindsey's social game is miles ahead of Ken's, I don't know if I'd feel comfortable voting for her given our in-game relationship. This one would be a tossup for me. I'd say 51-49 in favor of Lindsey right now.
F2 of Liz/Darnell - This would ALSO be hard for me. Liz was loyal to me. And the fighting underdog. But I had a VERY close bond with Darnell. I'd probably go in leaning Darnell like 60-40. FTC could very well sway me here.
What I think WILL happen though is Liz will win the F4IC. And she wants to target Ken AFAIK. I don't see how Ken will be able to slither his way out of that vote. My black vote is also for him, something Liz will use. At F3 odds on favorite to win FIC is Liz again and I THINK Liz would take Darnell to the end since Lindsey comes across as a lot more threatening. IF Liz loses immunity at some point, then she is def out. Darnell to me looks like he is guaranteed F2 at this point which is very impressive to me. His game resume is amazing and he has a sold case for a win. I am EXCITED to watch how this endgame shakes out.
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